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Messaggio da MarcoRVD » 22/11/2011, 19:25

Le prime reazioni al nuovo CBA non sono per niente positive. Goldstein addirittura dice: "If you're a fan of a team that's putting huge investments into scouting/draft/international, that's over. Sorry."
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Messaggio da Pap » 22/11/2011, 19:42

MarcoRVD ha scritto:Le prime reazioni al nuovo CBA non sono per niente positive. Goldstein addirittura dice: "If you're a fan of a team that's putting huge investments into scouting/draft/international, that's over. Sorry."

Lo dice come fosse una cosa positiva. Non vedo dove stia il miglioramento...

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Messaggio da MarcoRVD » 22/11/2011, 19:43

Pap ha scritto:
MarcoRVD ha scritto:Le prime reazioni al nuovo CBA non sono per niente positive. Goldstein addirittura dice: "If you're a fan of a team that's putting huge investments into scouting/draft/international, that's over. Sorry."

Lo dice come fosse una cosa positiva. Non vedo dove stia il miglioramento...

Oddio, dove sarebbe positivo?
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Messaggio da Pap » 22/11/2011, 19:55

MarcoRVD ha scritto: Oddio, dove sarebbe positivo?

No, letto male.

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Messaggio da rene144 » 22/11/2011, 19:58

Ok, è stato bello lavorare in MLB ed è stato bello mandare italiani fra i professionisti. Alcuni andranno ancora ovviamente, ma questo accordo costituirà un impedimento pauroso e molte squadre abbandoneranno il continente europeo, giustamente. Sarei sorpreso di non essere licenziato a breve onestamente. E' un accordo orrido. San Boras, salvaci tu.

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Messaggio da MarcoRVD » 22/11/2011, 19:59

Dal 2013 tutti con questo caschetto

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Lo so, è orrendo. Ma forse è la cosa meno peggio di tutto questo schifo.
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Re: Around the MLB

Messaggio da Dodgers fan #7 » 22/11/2011, 19:59

Tra l'altro, non è che siano in tanti a fare i salti di gioia. Penso anche a elementi come Boras, per non dire tutta la categoria degli agenti.

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MarcoRVD ha scritto:Dal 2013 tutti con questo caschetto

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Lo so, è orrendo. Ma forse è la cosa meno peggio di tutto questo schifo.

Perchè tutte le squadre dovrebbero mettere il caschetto dei Mets?!?

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Messaggio da rene144 » 22/11/2011, 20:11

Dodgers fan #7 ha scritto:Tra l'altro, non è che siano in tanti a fare i salti di gioia. Penso anche a elementi come Boras, per non dire tutta la categoria degli agenti.

Gli unici a fare salti di gioia sono proprietari e giocatori MLB. Secondo me c'è il rischio che qualche amateur (col suo agente) si incazzi furiosamente.
Questo CBA fa male alle piccole squadre, fa male agli amatori, fa male agli agenti, fa male agli executives. Sembra essere stato scritto dalle squadre più ricche, che potrebbero trarne vantaggi paurosi. Rischia di essere un colpo alla competitività ed alla qualità del baseball (anche se le conseguenze si vedrebbero dopo qualche anno ovviamente).
Fa bene alle tasche dei proprietari ed ai giocatori sul roster da 40. E' un passo indietro enorme. E' un disastro. Mi auguro che qualcuno li porti in tribunale.

Pap: non è il caschetto dei Mets, è un casco oversize in grado di resistere meglio a lanci sopra i 100 mph.

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rene144 ha scritto: Pap: non è il caschetto dei Mets, è un casco oversize in grado di resistere meglio a lanci sopra i 100 mph.

Dai cavolo... era ovviamente una battuta! :sad:

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Messaggio da Dodgers fan #7 » 22/11/2011, 20:27

Si riesce a fare una lista, anche approssimativa, di giocatori che avessero un commitment per giocare in un altro sport al college all'atto della firma post Draft? Per fare un esempio, Zach Lee aveva la possibilità di giocare come QB a LSU ma invece ha firmato per i Dodgers con un bonus altissimo.

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Messaggio da rene144 » 22/11/2011, 20:34

Dodgers fan #7 ha scritto:Si riesce a fare una lista, anche approssimativa, di giocatori che avessero un commitment per giocare in un altro sport al college all'atto della firma post Draft? Per fare un esempio, Zach Lee aveva la possibilità di giocare come QB a LSU ma invece ha firmato per i Dodgers con un bonus altissimo.

Sto già lavorando ad un post sul blog coi multi-sport players. Lo pubblicherò fra due o tre giorni.

Rimanendo agli ultimi 2 anni direi Zach Lee, Matt Lipka, Brad Marquez, Bubba Starling, Archie Bradley fra quelli di primo piano. Adam Dunn e Joe Mauer non sarebbero diventati giocatori di baseball.

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Messaggio da rene144 » 22/11/2011, 21:48

MLB says the bonus pool for the 2012 draft will be $4.5 million to $11.5 million, depending on how many picks and on where a team picks

I Pirates nel 2011 hanno speso 14 milioni nelle loro prime 2 scelte.

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Messaggio da Maxy_690 » 22/11/2011, 23:50

Un piccolo riassunto di alcuni dei punti salienti del CBA

Draft Spending Limitations

There is no hard slotting, but teams are given a “draft pool” by MLB that they aren’t supposed to exceed. Teams that do exceed their pool by 5% will be taxed at 75%. Spending in excess of 5-10% will result in a 75% tax and a loss of the next year’s first round pick. Spending in excess of 10-15% results in a 100% tax and and loss of first and second round picks. Spending in excess of 15% results in a 100% tax and the loss of two first round picks. That’s harsh.
Something called the “Competitive Balance Lottery” gives extra picks to the small-market and low-revenue clubs. Six draft picks immediately after the first round will be given to the ten teams with the ten lowest revenues via a lottery system. A team’s odds of winning the lottery will be based on its winning percentage the prior season. There will be another lottery with six additional picks after the second round for the clubs that miss out on the first set of picks. These Competitive Balance Lottery picks can be traded, but other picks can not.
If a player drafted in the tenth round or later signs for $100k or more, the extra money counts against the team’s draft pool. I’m not entirely sure what that means, but I think it means you can sign a player drafted in the tenth round or later for $100k and it will not count against your pool. Don’t quote me on that.
The draft signing deadline has been moved up from August 15th to sometime between July 12-18th, depending on the All-Star Game. The college coaches will appreciate this.
Drafted players can only sign minor league contracts now, and the top 200 prospects will be subject to mandatory drug testing.
International Spending Limitations
Each team will be allowed to spend $2.9M on amateur free agents this year, or a hundred grand less than the Yankees gave Gary Sanchez in 2009. Starting next winter, the worst teams will be allowed to spend ~$5M while the best teams get to spend ~$1.8M.
Starting in 2013-2014, teams will be able to trade their international spending cap space, thought clubs will only be able to acquire an additional 50% of their cap. So if the Yankees are limited to a $3M cap, they can only trade for an additional $1.5M.
Players under 23 years old and with less than years of professional baseball experience will be considered amateurs and count against the spending cap. That means guys like Yoenis Cespedes and Japanese veterans will be treated as a true free agents. Japanese players run through the posting system will not count against the cap.
Players must register with MLB’s scouting bureau in order to be eligible to sign. That should cut down on the number of age and identity fraud cases. The top 100 prospects will be subject to drug testing.
A worldwide baseball draft is a “significant possibility” by 2014, and there are incentives in place for both sides to negotiate terms in the future.
Long story short, the MLBPA sold out its future members for the sake of its current members. The draft and international spending limitations are severe and will drive young talent away from the game, and you’ll see legitimate two-sport guys like Zach Lee and Bubba Starling be pushed to college by the spending restrictions. Teams also have little incentive to run a baseball academy in Latin America now. We’ll see the real impact of these changes in five or ten years, when there’s a sudden lack of young talent and barely enough real athletes to play the middle infield. Anyway, here is the lest of the CBA news…

Draft Compensation Changes

The following players are Type-A free agents but will be treated as Type-B free agents for the remainder of the offseason: Matt Capps, Francisco Cordero, Octavio Dotel, Ramon Hernandez, and Darren Oliver. A team will not have to give up a draft pick to sign them, and their old team will gain just one supplemental first rounder.
The following players are Type-A free agents but will not be treated as “modified” Type-A free agents: Heath Bell, Michael Cuddyer, Kelly Johnson, Ryan Madson, Josh Willingham, and Francisco Rodriguez. A team will not lose a pick to sign them, however their old club will still receive two picks. One will be a first round one spot after the team that signs them, the second a supplemental first rounder.
These changes can all be seen on our 2012 Draft Order page.
Players must still be offered arbitration if their former club wants to receive draft pick compensation. The deadline to offer arbitration is tomorrow, by the way.

Blood Testing For HGH

Players will be tested next Spring Training to determine their energy levels, and those test results will be discarded. Tests will be taken on non-gamedays unless the player volunteers to do it the day of a game. They’re essentially going to test the test, just to see how the players respond physically after giving blood.
Once the two sides see how the players respond, they will then determine how and when to proceed with in-season testing. Offseason testing will begin next winter, and the tests will not be random. There has to be reasonable cause.

Instant Replay

Replay will be expanding to include fair-or-foul plays as well as “trapped” ball plays. MLB and the umpires’ union must still discuss the final details. Hooray for this.
There will also be an “improved process for challenging official scorer decisions.” So now David Ortiz can complain about his RBI total without interrupting his manager’s press conference.

Equipment

Players will no longer be allowed to use those low-density maple bats that shatter and turn into dangerous sharp, flying objects.
The Great Gazoo helmet, which Frankie Cervelli wears following all his concussions, will be mandatory by 2013. The new version will be less bulky and hilarious looking.

Salaries

The minimum salary will rise from $414k this past season to $480k next season, and it will climb to $500k by 2014.
The top 22% of players (in terms of service time) with fewer than three years of MLB service will be considered Super Twos. Those folks are arbitration-eligible four times rather than three. It had been the top 17% previously.

New Policies & Programs

A new tobacco policy will be instituted, preventing tobacco products from being visible during interviews, interactions with fans, etc. Uniformed personnel can still use chewing tobacco, but the can can’t be visible and a wad of chew in a player’s cheek will draw a slap on the wrist from the union.
A “program of mandatory evaluation” is in place for players that commit alcohol-related offenses, including DUIs.
There will be some kind of “social media policy,” basically taking all the fun out of MLB players on Twitter.
Something called “market disqualification” says the top 15 markets will not be able to receive revenue sharing money by 2016, the final year of this deal.
I can’t believe they actually had to write this into the CBA, but there is now a policy in place that protects union members from discrimination stemming from their sexual orientation.

Miscellaneous

Participation in the All-Star Game is mandatory unless the player is injured or otherwise excused by the commissioner.
Rosters will expand to 26 players for “certain regular or split doubleheaders.” I kinda like that.
The extra wildcard team and expanded playoff setup will be instituted immediately, so there will be two wildcard clubs per league next season. It will in fact be a one-game playoff.

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Re: Around the MLB

Messaggio da ItalianBlueJay » 23/11/2011, 13:00

ma, la riduzione\creazione dei tetti di spese per il draft...lo leggete solo come volontà dei proprietari di spendere meno (legittima in minimissima parte); o solo io ne vedo una cosa "positiva" rispetto a contratti che più fumosi non ci sono?
Non penso tolgano "valore" allo scouting, semmai il cambio di data è più "pesante"...

Altr discorso la diminuzione delle firme internazionali...

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