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Messaggioda LonginusALS » 08/09/2017, 13:43

O riforma drastica o morte! :metal:

Quelle soluzione li sono acqua di rose,non fermerebbero chi rovina le stagioni progettando di tankare fino a quando non abbiamo il nostro duncan,tanto vale rimanere così.



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Messaggioda Brian_di_Nazareth » 08/09/2017, 14:14

John Doe ha scritto:
08/09/2017, 13:26
Brian_di_Nazareth ha scritto:Ma qual'è lo scopo?
Migliorare "le pari opportunità", fra le varie franchigie, di costruire una squadra vincente o evitare squadre che partono ad inizio anno per perdere?

Perchè se lo scopo è il secondo, basta abolire il draft e lasciare che tutti i collegiali in uscita siano FA.
Il problema che credo si volesse risolvere non era quello delle squadre che partono per perdere ad inizio anno, ma di quelle che lo fanno per 3,4,5 anni non per demeriti ma per volontà.

Con tutti i collegiali FA non risolvi il problema di cui il draft è (o dovrebbe essere la soluzione), ovvero la ripartizione del talento.
Allora usa la stessa regola che punisce quelli che sforano il cap per più anni: sanzioni pecuniarie, come la Luxory.
Oppure, se decidi che si può avere una sola top 3 ogni 3 anni, imponi che si possa superare il cap solo una volta ogni 3 anni....in modo simmetrico.

A nessun tifoso piace vedere la propria squadra tankare, (anche se io personalmente, mi iscrivo nel partito che preferisce vedere 3 anni di JaKarr Sampson e poi 3 di Ben Simmons piuttosto che 6 anni di Evan Turner) ma queste pseudo riforme asimmetriche non aiutano ad avere una lega più competitiva e bilanciata.

Secondo me questa cosa non passa....così come è concepita crea più problemi di quelli che vorrebbe risolvere.



PS: cmq per fortuna che noi abbiamo già dato come L e siamo a posto per un po'......se passa la riforma, ad occhio sarà più di intralcio a Bulls, Pacers, Magic, Hawks, Hornets etc... :forza:



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Messaggioda Brian_di_Nazareth » 08/09/2017, 14:32

Questi sono i 13 che votarono no ad una riforma della Lottery nel 22014:



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Messaggioda John Doe » 08/09/2017, 14:35

Brian_di_Nazareth ha scritto:
John Doe ha scritto:
08/09/2017, 13:26
Il problema che credo si volesse risolvere non era quello delle squadre che partono per perdere ad inizio anno, ma di quelle che lo fanno per 3,4,5 anni non per demeriti ma per volontà.

Con tutti i collegiali FA non risolvi il problema di cui il draft è (o dovrebbe essere la soluzione), ovvero la ripartizione del talento.
Allora usa la stessa regola che punisce quelli che sforano il cap per più anni: sanzioni pecuniarie, come la Luxory.
Oppure, se decidi che si può avere una sola top 3 ogni 3 anni, imponi che si possa superare il cap solo una volta ogni 3 anni....in modo simmetrico.

A nessun tifoso piace vedere la propria squadra tankare, (anche se io personalmente, mi iscrivo nel partito che preferisce vedere 3 anni di JaKarr Sampson e poi 3 di Ben Simmons piuttosto che 6 anni di Evan Turner) ma queste pseudo riforme asimmetriche non aiutano ad avere una lega più competitiva e bilanciata.

Secondo me questa cosa non passa....così come è concepita crea più problemi di quelli che vorrebbe risolvere.



PS: cmq per fortuna che noi abbiamo già dato come L e siamo a posto per un po'......se passa la riforma, ad occhio sarà più di intralcio a Bulls, Pacers, Magic, Hawks, Hornets etc... :forza:
Beh ma il cap è misurato in termini monetari, le sanzioni sono monetarie di conseguenza.
Il draft si misura tramite le pick, mi pare ben più logico che le relative sanzioni vadano a ripercutersi sulle pick.

Poi non passa nemmeno secondo me, intendiamoci.



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Messaggioda Brian_di_Nazareth » 08/09/2017, 14:50

John Doe ha scritto:
08/09/2017, 14:35
Brian_di_Nazareth ha scritto:
Allora usa la stessa regola che punisce quelli che sforano il cap per più anni: sanzioni pecuniarie, come la Luxory.
Oppure, se decidi che si può avere una sola top 3 ogni 3 anni, imponi che si possa superare il cap solo una volta ogni 3 anni....in modo simmetrico.

A nessun tifoso piace vedere la propria squadra tankare, (anche se io personalmente, mi iscrivo nel partito che preferisce vedere 3 anni di JaKarr Sampson e poi 3 di Ben Simmons piuttosto che 6 anni di Evan Turner) ma queste pseudo riforme asimmetriche non aiutano ad avere una lega più competitiva e bilanciata.

Secondo me questa cosa non passa....così come è concepita crea più problemi di quelli che vorrebbe risolvere.



PS: cmq per fortuna che noi abbiamo già dato come L e siamo a posto per un po'......se passa la riforma, ad occhio sarà più di intralcio a Bulls, Pacers, Magic, Hawks, Hornets etc... :forza:
Beh ma il cap è misurato in termini monetari, le sanzioni sono monetarie di conseguenza.
Il draft si misura tramite le pick, mi pare ben più logico che le relative sanzioni vadano a ripercutersi sulle pick.

Poi non passa nemmeno secondo me, intendiamoci.
eh....nì.
sono entrambe legate sia al discorso tecnico che economico: il draft è l'acquisizione di un talento (più o meno grande si vedrà) economico e il cap lo superi per tenere/mettere a roster un talento (più certo) non economico.

Io vorrei vedere una Lega combattuta ed equilibrata, ma sta "soluzione" proposta per la Lottery è solo demagogia spiccia e non risolve una mazza per me.



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Messaggioda lelomb » 08/09/2017, 14:57

Basterebbe un cap molto meno soft o quasi del tutto hard e il riequilibrio viene da se. Non puoi andare ad appianare completamente l'unico strumento di redistribuzione, per quanto sia imperfetto.
Se lo fai non è certo perché hai a cuore che la lega sia equilibrata.
Io la leverei proprio, chi sta sul fondo farà comunque schifo, ma chi inizia a veleggiare verso la decima posizione non avrà nemmeno quella limitata % di entrare in top3. A quel punto fra una dieci senza possibilità di sculare e una quattordici con i po vedi che l'ultimo mese e mezzo non diventa il solito circo con squadre da 20% che fanno le strisce di W e al contrario gente che fino a marzo viaggiava su quota .400 inchiodarsi col freno a mano.

Paradossalmente pure le serie alla 7 sono "disequilibranti" e garantiscono una certa sicurezza ai proprietari che non hanno problemi ad andare in luxury.

Ci sono tante cose da poter fare per riequilibrare la lega quindi dare meno importanza alla quota di talento che entra via draft.



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2018 NBA mock draft - Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic and more
by on 2017-08-19 08:10:00 UTC
The 2018 NBA draft got an extra boost of star power with Marvin Bagley's reclassification on Monday. But Bagley is just one of seven players with a legitimate shot to be the next No. 1 pick.

Here's our debut 2018 mock draft, featuring picks for both rounds.


The ESPN Summer Forecast was used to project draft order.

1. Chicago Bulls
Michael Porter
Missouri
Freshman
SF/PF


Porter's size, shot-creation skill and scoring instincts will make him a coveted prospect next June. He's a playmaker on both ends of the floor who is just starting to figure out how to put his talent to full use. NBA scouts will want to see him lead Missouri to the NCAA tournament while playing efficient basketball on both ends of the floor.

2. Boston Celtics (via Nets)
Marvin Bagley
Duke
Freshman
PF/C


Bagley is a fluid athlete with a natural feel for scoring, rebounding and blocking shots, which helps him post elite numbers at the high school and AAU level. He's a terror in the open court and very difficult for opposing big men to stay in front of in one-on-one situations, getting him to the free throw line at an excellent rate. NBA teams will want to see how easily he'll be able to make the transition to the intensity level of the college game and get a better gauge for his defense and outside shooting potential.

3. Atlanta Hawks
DeAndre Ayton
Arizona
Freshman
C


Ayton has elite physical tools, standing 7 feet tall with a 7-foot-5.5 wingspan and an excellent frame. He also is fairly skilled offensively, showing potential as a finisher and jump-shooter. NBA scouts question his motor and defensive awareness, things they'll be monitoring closely at Arizona.

4. Phoenix Suns
Luka Doncic
Real Madrid
Age: 18
SG


Doncic posted historic numbers in the Euroleague, Spanish ACB for a 17-year old, thanks to an incredibly high basketball IQ and polished skill set that allows him to play both backcourt positions. He will now be asked to take his game to the next level, as he's finally NBA draft-eligible, which won't be an easy task. Scouts wonder if he's athletic enough to guard his position and create his own shot quite as seamlessly in the NBA as he does in Europe.

5. Sacramento Kings
Robert Williams
Texas A&M
Sophomore
PF/C


Williams is a physical specimen with an NBA body, 7-foot-4 wingspan and tremendous athleticism. He has impressive potential as a rim-protector and pick-and-roll finisher but also shows some ability to pass the ball and even make perimeter jumpers. As a late bloomer, Williams' polish, feel for the game and consistent productivity are still catching up to his potential and tools.

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6. Orlando Magic
Miles Bridges
Michigan State
Sophomore
SF/PF


Bridges is arguably the best athlete in this draft and plays a coveted position as a two-way forward who can guard all over the floor. He converted 39 percent of his 3-pointers as a freshman and is making strides with his ball-handling and playmaking abilities as well. After passing up the chance to be a lottery pick in last year's draft, Bridges will be expected to show significant improvement while leading Michigan State on a deep NCAA tournament run.

7. New York Knicks
Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Freshman
C


Bamba has a 7-foot-9 wingspan that would be the longest of any player currently in the NBA. He's a solid basketball player as well, with good hands, impressive timing as a shot-blocker and rebounder and more offensive ability than you might expect. Bamba doesn't always operate at maximum intensity, and there are some question marks about his toughness.

8. Indiana Pacers
Collin Sexton
Alabama
Freshman
PG


Sexton is a scoring machine who produced a point per minute in both the Nike EYBL and FIBA competition with USA Basketball. He's an exceptional athlete with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and the type of aggressiveness and nasty streak you want to see in a lead guard. His decision-making, court vision and leadership skills need refinement and are the things NBA scouts will be monitoring at Alabama under head coach Avery Johnson.

9. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers)
Jaren Jackson
Michigan State
Freshman
PF/C


A big man with elite physical tools in terms of size, frame, wingspan and athleticism, Jackson has budding skills with his ability to shoot 3-pointers, protect the rim and even create his own shot on occasion. He's still putting it all together on a consistent basis. His toughness and feel for the game are a work in progress.

10. Dallas Mavericks
Wendell Carter
Duke
Freshman
PF/C


Carter is a physically mature big man with a 257-pound frame and a 7-foot-3 wingspan, which allows him to play the center position with ease. He's a polished player with excellent hands and touch around the basket who has relied heavily on his strength until this point in his career. Can he continue to score and rebound at a high rate against older players as well?

11. Memphis Grizzlies
Trevon Duval
Duke
Freshman
PG


The Duke freshman is a quick-twitch athlete with great size, a strong frame and a 6-foot-9.5 wingspan, allowing him to defend either guard position. He's explosive in transition and capable of playing at different speeds in the half court, though he's extremely limited as a shooter and needs to work on his decision-making skills as well.

12. Detroit Pistons
Bruce Brown
Miami
Sophomore
SG


Brown is a hard-working combo guard with long arms and good athleticism, playing the game in attack mode on both ends of the floor. He's also a lockdown defender and a capable shooter, but does he score enough to project as a starter in the NBA? One knock on Brown: The sophomore is the same age (21) as some seniors.

13. New Orleans Pelicans
Lonnie Walker
Miami
Freshman
SG


A long-armed shooting guard with a strong frame and impressive athleticism, Walker has strong 3-and-D attributes but has shown flashes of being able to do more. He needs to improve his ballhandling and shot creation. His assertiveness and effort also come and go at times.

14. Portland Trail Blazers
Mitchell Robinson
College: TBD
Freshman
C


Robinson is a freakishly athletic 7-footer with a big wingspan and an impressive frame who plays quick off his feet with solid hands and touch. However, his on-court awareness and feel for the game are very underdeveloped. He left Western Kentucky after a handful of practices, and now his situation is in flux. Did NBA scouts see enough on the all-star circuit to draft him in the top 20?

15. Philadelphia 76ers
Justin Jackson
Maryland
Sophomore
SF/PF


The Maryland sophomore is a versatile combo forward who can even play some small-ball center, thanks to his strong frame and 7-foot-3 wingspan. Jack has made steady improvement defensively and as a 3-point shooter, making him easy to project to today's NBA game. He needs to continue to improve his feel for the game and ball-handling ability.

16. Charlotte Hornets
Dzanan Musa
Cedevita
Age: 18
SF


A precocious European wing with tremendous size and scoring instincts, Musa is already putting up big numbers at a very high level of competition. He's an aggressive player who can put up points from anywhere on the floor and plays with a level of confidence and swagger that will make his transition to the NBA game easier. He lacks length, negating his size to a certain degree and limiting his defensive potential. Plus, he's a just OK athlete who lets his emotions get the best of him at times.

17. Phoenix Suns (via Heat)
Troy Brown
Oregon
Freshman
SG


Thanks to his strong frame and 6-foot-11 wingspan, Brown is a Swiss-army knife who can play anywhere from 1-4. He's a good passer, ball handler and defender with a competitive streak and good feel for the game. He lacks elite athleticism and is a very streaky shooter.

18. Utah Jazz
Hamidou Diallo
Kentucky
Sophomore
SG


Diallo is an athletic shooting guard with a massive, 6-foot-11 wingspan who is highly explosive in the open court. He also brings significant potential defensively, though he's a very poor shooter and just a rudimentary ball-handler in the half court.

19. LA Clippers
Mikal Bridges
Villanova
Junior
SF


Bridges is a prototypical 3-and-D wing with good size, a 7-foot-1 wingspan and an improving frame. He's a highly efficient player on both ends of the floor and a multipositional defender. However, his skill level is still a work in progress, in terms of shot creation and ability to shoot off the dribble.

20. Denver Nuggets
Chimezie Metu
USC
Junior
Center


The USC junior is a mobile big man with a strong frame and high-level athleticism. He has shown flashes offensively both facing and with his back to the basket. His soft hands and touch help him knock down an occasional midrange jumper, though he doesn't always play hard enough, considering his projected role and that his defensive toughness and intensity come and go. He also doesn't rebound at a great clip. Metu has upside but will need to translate that into more consistent production this season.

21. Brooklyn Nets (via Raptors)
Rodions Kurucs
Barcelona
Age: 19
SF/PF


The big wing/combo forward has a nice frame and an intriguing skill set. He's a capable shooter with a fluid stroke off the catch. Kurucs can create his own shot from the perimeter and is a solid passer, but his defensive intensity wavers, and his jumper is prone to streakiness. Will he see enough minutes in the ACB this season to prove he's worth a first-round selection?

22. Milwaukee Bucks
Nick Richards
Kentucky
Freshman
C


A 7-footer with a tremendous frame and a 7-foot-4 wingspan, Richards is quick off his feet and fluid in the open floor. He shows flashes with his footwork and touch in the post and has timing as a shot-blocker. His motor runs hot and cold, though, and he isn't very polished on either end of the floor.

23. Atlanta Hawks (via Timberwolves)
Shake Milton
SMU
Junior
PG


The big point guard has the size, length and frame to defend both backcourt positions with his 7-foot wingspan. He's a career 3-point shooter at the college level and very versatile with his ability to shoot, pass and guard, but he has somewhat of a vanilla approach to the game. His defensive intensity tends to waver.

24. Washington Wizards
Grayson Allen
Duke
Senior
SG


Allen is a high-level shot maker coming off a down year at Duke, partially due to injuries and a variety distractions. He has deep range on his jumper and can make shots off the bounce from well beyond NBA range. The senior is a vertically explosive leaper but doesn't have much side-to-side wiggle and struggles to guard anyone, even at the college level, due to his poor size, length and lateral quickness.

25. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Thunder)
Isaac Bonga
Frankfurt
Age: 17
PG/SF


A 6-foot-9 point guard with a 7-foot wingspan and an excellent feel for the game, Bonga uses his size to see over the top of the defense and find teammates with creativity. He has great instincts and versatility defensively, perhaps his biggest value at the NBA level. He also plays hard and has toughness. However, he is limited by his lack of quickness and almost complete inability to shoot from the perimeter. He needs the ball in his hands but struggles to get by better defenders.

26. Cleveland Cavaliers
De'Anthony Melton
USC
Sophomore
PG/SG


Melton is a tough-minded combo guard who fills up the stat sheet and guards at a high level. The high-IQ passer keeps the offense flowing and is instinctual on the glass and getting in the passing lanes. He has also shown flashes as a shooter, though he struggles to utilize his athleticism due to his extremely poor ball-handling skills and plays at just one speed. Can he take the next step in his development offensively and shoulder a bigger role?

27. San Antonio Spurs
Austin Wiley
Auburn
Sophomore
PF


Wiley stands 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-5 wingspan, a 9-foot-1 standing reach and a chiseled 250-pound frame. He has improved his motor, feel for the game and conditioning dramatically. He's an outstanding offensive rebounder with soft hands and touch. But he plays below the rim and struggles to step out onto the perimeter, protect the rim, pass out of double teams or score outside of the paint, which makes him a very old-fashioned big man, the type that isn't really en vogue in today's NBA.

28. Brooklyn Nets (via Celtics)
Tyus Battle
Syracuse
Sophomore
SG


A solid-sized wing with a frame that will fill out nicely in time, Battle has some untapped potential athletically. He made 37 percent of his 3s as a freshman, but he struggles to create his own shot in the half court. He also doesn't have great awareness defensively.

29. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets)
Brandon McCoy
UNLV
Freshman
Center


McCoy is a 7-footer with a massive 250-pound frame and a big standing reach. He can operate with his back to the basket using footwork, touch and body control. He's also aggressive on the offensive glass. Still, McCoy needs to improve his on-court decision-making, and he's somewhat of a black hole offensively. He also really struggles to make his presence felt defensively, especially stepping outside the paint.

30. Golden State Warriors
Andrew Jones
Texas
Sophomore
PG


The physically talented guard stands 6-foot-4 with a 6-foot-6.5 wingspan. He's a good athlete, especially in the open court, who shows some nice versatility with his ability to handle, pass, guard multiple positions and make an occasional open 3-pointer. However, he didn't do anything consistently as a freshman and needs to improve his decision-making skills and off the dribble shooting ability to take on more ball-handling responsibilities.

Round 2
31. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Bulls)

Abdoulaye N'doye, SG, Age: 19, Chalon

32. Philadelphia 76ers (via Nets)

Tadas Sedekerskis, SF, Age: 19.5, Baskonia

33. Atlanta Hawks

Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, SG, Sr., Kansas

34. Phoenix Suns

V.J. King, SF, So., Louisville

35. Sacramento Kings

Arnoldas Kulboka, SF, Age: 19, Bamberg

36. Orlando Magic

Devonte' Graham, PG, Sr., Kansas

37. Philadelphia 76ers (via Knicks)

Allonzo Trier, SG, Jr., Arizona

38. Brooklyn Nets (via Pacers)

Ray Spalding, PF, Jr., Louisville

39. Brooklyn Nets (via Lakers)

Ethan Happ, PF, Jr., Wisconsin

40. Dallas Mavericks

Vince Edwards, SF, Sr., Purdue

41. Memphis Grizzlies

Jacob Evans, SF, Jr., Cincinnati

42. Detroit Pistons

Kostja Mushidi, SG, Age: 19, Mega Bemax

43. New Orleans Pelicans

Donta Hall, PF, Jr., Alabama

44. Denver Nuggets (via Blazers)

Aaron Holiday, PG, Jr., UCLA

45. Philadelphia 76ers

Bonzie Colson, PF, Sr., Notre Dame

46. Memphis Grizzlies (via Hornets)

Rawle Alkins, SG, So., Arizona

47. Houston Rockets (via Heat)

Anas Mahmoud, C, Sr., Louisville

48. Utah Jazz

Moritz Wagner, C, Jr., Michigan

49. New York Knicks (via Clippers)

Tryggvi Hlinason, C, Age: 19, Valencia

50. Los Angeles Lakers (via Nuggets)

Drew Eubanks, C, Jr., Oregon State

51. Phoenix Suns (via Raptors)

Felipe Dos Anjos, C, Age: 19, Real Madrid

52. Milwaukee Bucks

Isaac Haas, C, Sr., Purdue

53. Minnesota Timberwolves

Alize Johnson, PF, Sr., Missouri State

54. Washington Wizards

Keita Bates-Diop, SF, Sr., Ohio State

55. Oklahoma City Thunder

Chandler Hutchison, SG, Sr., Boise State

56. Charlotte Hornets (via Cavaliers)

Theo Pinson, SF, Sr., North Carolina

57. San Antonio Spurs

DJ Hogg, SF, Jr., Texas A&M

58. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Celtics)

Jeffrey Carroll, SF, Sr., Oklahoma State

59. Philadelphia 76ers (via Rockets)

Vasilis Charalampopoulos, SF, Age: 20, PAOK

60. Denver Nuggets (via Warriors)

Johnathan Williams, PF, Sr., Gonzaga



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Sono rimasti indietro, Mitchell Robinson è tornato a Western Kentucky.



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casper-21 ha scritto:Sono rimasti indietro, Mitchell Robinson è tornato a Western Kentucky.
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Messaggioda andreaR » 09/09/2017, 11:50

Non ci credo nemmeno se lo vedo che ci sono 3 ragazzi meglio di Doncic



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Messaggioda WolvesFan25 » 09/09/2017, 12:06

Marvin Bagley secondo me scenderà parecchio, Doncic non andrà al di fuori della top3



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Messaggioda casper-21 » 09/09/2017, 12:33

Brian_di_Nazareth ha scritto:
09/09/2017, 11:04
casper-21 ha scritto:Sono rimasti indietro, Mitchell Robinson è tornato a Western Kentucky.
In che senso? È il Mock 2018...
Nella descrizione sopra dice che ha lasciato Western Kentucky dopo una manciata di allenamenti. In realtà adesso ci è tornato (non prima di aver valutato LSU e Kansas e di aver detto che non avrebbe proprio frequentato nessun college; insomma, deciso il ragazzo) e dovrebbe giocare la stagione collegiale lì. Il condizionale è d'obbligo visto il tutto.



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casper-21 ha scritto:
09/09/2017, 12:33
Brian_di_Nazareth ha scritto:
09/09/2017, 11:04
In che senso? È il Mock 2018...
Nella descrizione sopra dice che ha lasciato Western Kentucky dopo una manciata di allenamenti. In realtà adesso ci è tornato (non prima di aver valutato LSU e Kansas e di aver detto che non avrebbe proprio frequentato nessun college; insomma, deciso il ragazzo) e dovrebbe giocare la stagione collegiale lì. Il condizionale è d'obbligo visto il tutto.
Ah ok!
thanks, non avevo capito :thumbup:



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Re: NBA Draft 2018, la casa di Luka Doncic, Michael Porter e gli altri

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battuta la spagna piena di giocatori (e star) nba, facendo quasi tripla doppia. e gli "analyst" vedono 2 o 3 prospetti migliori di doncic :stralol: con soggetti come fraschilla che tutti i giorni si inventano nuovi metodi per arrampicarsi sugli specchi.




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